My Dadâs side
My Dad
Me and my dad didnât connect easily but we kept trying because we loved each other
1. You shared your passions with me in order to connect, because you loved me
- As I grew up, you met me the way that you could - by sharing your passions.
- âWonât it be deeply wonderful and meaningful to share my passions with my son? My dad was so uncaring, he kicked me out at 16, he didnât take time to try to connect with me. Iâll take my son to football games, just the two of us. Weâll go to car shows, weâll chat about football at the pub. Itâs going to be so fucking meaningful dude, I canât wait to have a son to share all this withâ
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- đ This, but itâs my dad thinking this thought at 40 years old in 1996
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Football
I can see why football matters so much to you
- I get why youâd like it, growing up in the 1960s/70s
- Imagine being born in a working class town in the 1950s. Of course football is going to be a big part of your life, of course thereâd be a lot of local pride about it, of course youâd play football with your friends etc. Makes total sense (you know, pre-internet, surrounding by the working class, your dad is literally a coal miner, etc). Religion is kind of on the way out (I mean, weâve just survived two world wars, modernity is on the way out). No-one is religious anymore, but we all have that religious impulse, the craving to care about something bigger, and for community. Football, supporting the townâs team⊠you end up supporting them your entire life, sticking by them through highs and lows. I can see how thatâd be very meaningful.
Sadly football just didnât matter to me!
- I never cared about football
- As a kid, I just⊠I just didnât give a shit about football. Who knows why. Maybe by the 90s, it was less likely to capture my attention, compared to video games and Harry Potter. Maybe some kids are predisposed to loving sport because of⊠team spirit, loyalty, idk, and some kids are more⊠individualistic, averse to aligning themselves with a team, intellectual little nerds who think that supporting one team over another just because theyâre the team of your town is dumb, etc. Maybe I was too much of an only child, maybe if I had some brothers weâd bond over football, who knows. Anyway, it never clicked for me.
- I tried to care, a bit: I went to games with him, decked out my team scarf, yelling âcome on you Brewers!â as instructed, having fun at being the centre of attention. But the act of watching the game - god, itâs so dull. And itâs cold, weâre stood outside, and who cares who scores, who cares which team wins, I just donât get it. And cringing at the men in the stands who act as if they knew more than the referees, as if the players can hear their advice, as if anyone is impressed by the way they roleplay as the manager, strutting up and down, hollering, cajoling, despairing, etc.
Music
I can imagine how exciting classic rock was to live through
- Imagine youâre born in the 1950s, your parents are from the silent generation, very conformist, very downtrodden. And then rock ânâ roll like, begins. You find the Beatles to be too twee, clearly aiming at their teenage girl fans (every song on their first 4 albums is âYouâre The Best Girlfriend Yeah Yeah Yeahâ), youâre not impressed even when they get more experimental. But then comes Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, and holy shit, what IS this, this is so fucking NEW, so exciting, so electric.
- And then, when youâre 45 and your son is 5, youâre like fuck yeah, time to share my music with him. And he actually genuinely does love The White Stripes, the first band you introduce him to, a band who he deeply loves, listening to all them albums on repeat for what feels like years. But the classic rock, somehow he can sense how dated it is, the lustre is gone, itâs 3 decades later, he doesnât care, really.
- And your son, heâs not disagreeable, something in him makes it almost impossible for him to say âI donât like this thingâ (be it football, or classic cars, or classic rock). So he sings along despite a feeling of hollowness with a lot of it.
I strongly resonate with your very strong sense of musical taste
- Because you loved stuff from the 70s and were very picky with your taste, you were not interested in a lot of the stuff I shyly tried to show you, dismissing it quickly, a habit from your own father that slipped out sometimes, which is understandable, I mean, who doesnât accidentally mirror their parents.
- E.g., I tried to show you The Voidz - âtheyâre doing too much, itâs complicated for no reasonâ, which, yeah, they are kinda mad, fair.
- Same with Kendrick Lamar, my favourite artist - I actually didnât even bother, because thatâs also a lot. No 60-something working-class boomer is going to immediately love To Pimp a Butterfly, and we didnât have the kind of relationship that gave time for repeated listens, I can totally get how jarring and bad itâd sound
- Itâs not that you didnât keep up with music, like I said, you liked The White Stripes, the Strokes, and you kept an eye on up-and-coming artists in the local scene, if they suited your taste.
My child wonât be super excited about something from my zeitgeist and thatâs ok
- Itâs like me showing my son the âKendrick vs Drakeâ beef. He might be vaguely interested, but to be there as it was happening, to have been steeped in a decade of Kendrick and Drake and then have that happen, hits so different
- Something here on the difficulty on sharing something that is very of-the-zeitgeist. Very hard to share the zeitgeist with younger generations, things become a period-piece, quaint, etc
I want to do something like a 50/50 split with my kid
- 99% stuff that my dad liked, 1% me. Ideal would be a more fair split, trying out each otherâs stuff
- Take it in turns, earnestly try out the new stuff, stick with it. Like the Turning the Tables youtube channel, which I know is a very high bar, those two have an awesome relationship
Some of it really hit
- You put me onto The White Stripes, the first band I ever deeply loved!!
- You put me onto The Strokes, the second band I ever deeply loved!!!
I can see why cars were exciting
- Cars were just way cooler in the 1960s/1970s. And then when you were in your 40s/50s, you could buy some of these cars that you loved as a teenager, which must have felt great
- You worked hard for decades and paid yourself a low wage to make sure the business was always very safe, and to save for retirement, so you didnât have a big flashy collection, youâd occasionally buy one old Lancia, probably each one costing less than ÂŁ10,000, drive it for a few years, and always sell it after a while
- My dad loved Lancias
2. I probably never explicitly told you that I didnât care about these things
- As a kid with poor theory of mind and a desire for attunement and also a dislike of hurting peopleâs feelings, I didnât tell you that I didnât care about these things and instead hoped that youâd notice, or I guess, thought it was obvious, and that you were powering through anyway
3. If I told you that I didnât care about these things, you probably would have changed your approach
- If I said âIâm sorry dad, I know you love football and cars but they really just donât do anything for meâ, I donât believe that you would have said âwell I donât care what you think, weâll keep going to football games and car shows anywayâ
- I think you would have said âok what should we do insteadâ
- There was a space where we could have e.g. watched more of the things that I wanted to watch (no more Laurel and Hardy!), played video games together, etc (sorry for being such an introverted kid lol, you canât exactly read Harry Potter together, really)
- I didnât say that I didnât like your stuff, and I didnât say that Iâd rather do x. I hoped youâd be an attuned mind reader. And perhaps you were pretty non-attuned. But perhaps also I was too good at faking enthusiasm! And perhaps you had a hunch that I didnât really have like, the bug for football and cars, I imagine it wouldâve been pretty obvious that I wasnât like, super excited by this stuff. So we both could have done things differently here, but itâs ok, we were both beginners
3. Itâs a real shame that none of our interests lined up!
- Itâs a genuine shame, bless us both
- Oh man, I canât wait to go to football games with my son! â he doesnât give a shit about football
- Oh man, I canât wait to listen to classic rock with my son! â he doesnât like most of it
- Oh man, I canât wait to talk to my son about cars â he doesnât give a shit
- Just an odd quirk of the universe, and we tried anyway!
- The constant trying & not clicking shows constant care â we never threw up our hands and said âwell, this clearly isnât working, forget it!â, which is actually what my grandad said to me, in public. âHe doesnât care about sport, he doesnât care about anything! [And by implication â I donât value him!â]â. You didnât do that, you kept trying, even though it must have made you feel awkward and self-conscious, and sad to not be connecting with your son.
4. Our lack of aligned interests didnât diminish your love
- Unlike my grandad who literally said that
- You loved me regardless of our lack of shared interests, regardless of how awkward our connection was
5. It was already a shame that we didnât have much in common and then the family got blown up
- Perhaps we could have gone to football games, listened to music, gone to the pub, and perhaps with enough time together Iâd grow to be able to say âI donât like this stuff, why donât we do this stuff insteadâ, and weâd meet in the middle more
- But you and mum naively adopted a child and split up a year later, so all of these things because extra hard to care about, because you accidentally detonated a bomb and then split up and Iâd only see you on the weekends, further straining our relationship.
- And now my home life is high conflict, my mum hates my sister, Iâm hiding in my room, youâre no longer in the house, and then oh hey itâs the weekend, letâs spend two days together with my adopted sister too. We already didnât have much to connect on, you already werenât very good at meeting me where I was at, and now things have just gotten 100x more complicated
- So, it was already going to be an uphill battle, and it got much harder, lack of time, lack of connection
Remember - my kid wonât care about my zeitgeist and my passions
- Might not care at all about writing, for example
- Might not care at all about music
- Might be born in the 2030s, raised in the 2040s, wildly different from being raised in the 2000s & 2010s. Different zeitgeist, concerns, ethics. (e.g., I read the Harpers âThe Goon Squadâ piece today, my god)
- E.g., my dad showing me a lancia that he bought, âholy shit I loved this so much as a teenager and then I worked for decades and have been running my successful business and now I get to buy it, this is so a full circle moment for me, so much in thisâ and Iâm a 10 year old or a 15 year old who doesnât get cars (and also you know, not an adult who can grok the profundity of the moment) so Iâm just like âoh cool yeah this is a nice carâ, but it doesnât like, light a fire in my heart or anything
My Mumâs side
My Mum
- Iâm very lucky that my mumâs love was so obvious that I donât need to write about it
My Grandma
- I was so insanely lucky to have my grandma on my mumâs side, she was so fun and she cared about me a lot. I felt very intrinsically lovable
- Weâd bake together (scones, nice and easy), make gooseberry jam, paint, go on walks, Iâd sleep on a mattress on her floor with ClassicFM on
- Her and my Grandad has this awesome rickety old place called Cocky Barn, big old house, great amount of land, trees to climb, vegetable patch, walks to go on, it was an insane blessing!! My nephew for example doesnât have that now (as it was sold ~2 decades ago), which is a huge shame. So lucky to have had this place
My Grandad
- Iâm lucky to have had my grandad - he was quiet and shy but he was a nice presence, this big man who loved food and beer and rugby, twinkle in his eye about all of these things.
Aunts and uncles on my mumâs side
My cousin and his parents
- Man, I was so lucky to grow up with my cousin, a boy in the same year as me (different school)
- We played in the woods, played video games, made dens, made blanket forts, watched films, I watched him play video games on his PC in his awesome bedroom, it was so so good
- Also their house was so cosy, loved all the books and DVDs on the bookshelves in their living room. They made great home-made food, pizza night and curry night and great puddings and etc, bread and butter pudding, creme fraiche. Their funny dog, going on walks, going fishing
- His parents are funny and well read and intelligent, good people
Nice aunty!
- One aunty was very similar to me (âthe intellectual, sensitive oneâ, lol) and we got on really well. We could connect at the same level, talk about honest stuff, we wrote letters sometimes
Funny depressed uncle
- My nice aunty is married to a funny, cynical grump who I havenât really spoken to in years, but heâs recently been added to the family group chat and heâs made me lol, he also added a really funny comment to my facebook profile pic lol
The fun aunty and uncle
- Really lucky to have had my fun aunt and uncle!! The younger ones (like, 15 years younger??). Going to Go Ape together, their agentic proactive spirit, theyâre very inspiring, theyâve achieved a whole bunch and theyâre both very nice